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Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:42:00 - [1] The thing about it is that the quotes coming out of this are exactly in line with what's being said and done by CCP for the last little while... it has to be real? -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:08:00 - [2] Originally by: Myra2007 Mynxee said on twitter she's glad this has gone public. Sounds to me like she believes it is real - maybe for a reason. If this is a fake it is an extremely labor intensive one. It's a real eye opener if it's real. TeaDaze says that we haven't seen anything yet, and current CSM members are saying the CSM minutes are going to ignite another wave of rage. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:34:00 - [3] SOMEONE (not me) uploaded an unencrypted copy to Mediafire: http://www.mediafire.com/?n8ohtufd1mtamgb -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:56:00 - [4] Three things: - CCP Soundwave confirmed on twitter that he is watching the reaction. He did not deny it being real. http://twitter.com/#!/ktouborg - CSM member Seleene, formerly CCP Abathur, confirmed seeing this on a desk in Iceland at the CSM summit. linkage - Its close enough to the direction CCP has been going that we can't tell if its real or fake on its own. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:03:00 - [5] Full unedited version from CCP -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Hesperius Not to be a lynch mob pooper, but what in that document is really that nasty that its news worthy? Not a whole lot tbh. Its not going to tie me down and ** me at night, fortunately. -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Linar Mardolak Originally by: Hesperius Not to be a lynch mob pooper, but what in that document is really that nasty that its news worthy? Real money for game-changing options. Selling faction standings. Aurum rewards for gaining sov. Real-money direct purchase ships and ammo. But it isn't going to tie you down and ** you. Life - and Eve - will likely go on. Just without me. Or you, most likely. Or Hesp, to be fair. -Liang -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Hesperius BUT, that is CCP Soundwave talking liberally in a company news letter. Even the way it is structured, it sounds like he has some fighting internally to do to even get to bring it in front of us. I really don't care what they do with dust and wod, and outside of showing their hand of viewing us as numbers they can use and abuse more than customers, there is nothing that revealing in that document. The only thing that it reveals - to me - is that CCP's focus has shifted from making a game (as small "indie" game companies tend to do) to making money through any possible means. The rushing out of CQ so that they can ** out a half finished MT store sooner really just underscores the point. /shrug -Liang -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Manos Heimenbarger What concerns me the most is that CCP has not made any reply to these claims... In the aftermath of the mess this latest expansion made, and with the degree of community backlash so far, this couldn't have come out at a worse time for CCP (real or fake). I would think they would have quickly prepared some kind of statement by now. The only statement I've seen from CCP was from CCP Soundwave, confirming that he is reading this thread and monitoring the player feedback. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen It's a simply matter of harassment. Be a **head, slander the company through every internet media outlet you can get your cheeeto covered fingers on, and BAM expect a ban. Then ban me, because I'm hosting the leaked memo on my personal website and have been distributing links to it. But really, its entirely consistent with the direction you're taking the company. We no longer see eye to eye about what Eve is. I expect an internet spaceship game with fantastic PVP. You expect to anally my wallet for $60 monacles. Ban me. -Liang -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter

Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 00:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Liang Nuren Ban me. -Liang You realize if this was SA you'd be banned already? This is me caring? -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Malias Yakusto Yo dawg, like, that's pretty counter productive to a serious conversation about srs bizness internet spaceships. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 08:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Originally by: Othran Originally by: Leneerra Personally I do not think this is a real document. We have seen well crafted hoaxes before, often based on the real thing. Its an exact copy of a document seen by CSM members. The full version (with company metrics) is online. Its no hoax. Ok, ok...so a little clarification please. (and no, I'm not being sarcastic this time) If this is an exact copy, what do you mean by "full version with company metrics" ? Is this an abbreviated version, or an exact copy? And I'm sure everyone's terrified to link publically more documents that might get them permabanned if the conspiracy turns out to be true, but I welcome private evemails with linkage to any more detailed versions than the one posted on the original Evenews24 site. If there is more to this than what is shown on EveNews24's Chribba files link pdf, please get me that info. Though I've been pretty blatant I think this is either a) a forgery and troll attempt or b) a joking, tongue-in-cheek internal memo that was meant for company laughs, not embarassing public distribution, I will keep an open mind as long as there are more facts to draw on. Ain't skeert: Full unedited version from CCP -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Carmine Lady http://eve-offline.net/ surely there are usually about 40,000 on at this time. this is very telling. Usually at this time there is 26k ish players, EU timezone. When I logged on to see if I was banned last night, I'd say that we were down maybe 1000 people total from what I normally see. Well within statistical norms. HTH. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:08:00 - [15] @ktouborg and other CCPers are active on their Twitter accounts. Its been a full business day in Iceland. I would love to see some response from CCP. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:59:00 - [16] Originally by: Cherche LaFemme kan i haz yo zikrit dokuments? ... i don't want to be a black sheep or whatnot, but i for myself i don¦t give a ** what Soundwave or whoever else unofficially said somewhere ... currently it's not happening, neither it looks like it will be in any near future, until then, good job on PR you managed to push majority of your customers into a /allofsuddencarealot mode, bravo. btw this is my very subjective opinion i find it very lulz to read all this speculations, hypotheses and assumptions http://www.mediafire.com/?ccl135embyb6c2v -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Hesperius Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot And the joke is on the *gots who buy them. Hope they enjoy a tranq server with 1k players @ max capacity all sipping single-malt and buying another system in nullsec with euros. The only person who I have encountered who played into this micro transaction stuff, spent $1200 on in game gold on some F2P Korean game. He was a 38 year old virgin with a learning disability who was on welfare living with his mother and decided to use that money on game currency instead of getting dental work done. I met this person through Eve, and I now wonder if he has returned to Eve to give CCP some more of his welfare checks. I remember him. ing sad story that one. -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Cyber Duck When Chribba, Akita T, and Milia, all start getting concerned... You know **'s gettin real I missed Chribba and Akita T posting. They probably snuck it in while I was sleeping.... -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Eve24 is the biggest pile of ** this side of the milkyway .. they (he/she/it) literally makes FoxNews tagline kosher by comparison. Yes, vanity items can be bought .. big whoop/whaaa. As long as they are kept to their promise of keeping actual gameplay items out then who gives a ? Dust is a completely unrelated game with about as much in common with Eve as an asphalt factory has with a car manufacturer (ie. they function together but that is as far as it goes). WoD is still vaporware as far as I am concerned. We have heard diddly about it and there is no reason to think that it will ever launch as anything but a flashgame on FailBook. In short: Piece of nonsensical whinage. So you're discounting something an obviously disgruntled CCP employee leaked to multiple sources because Eve News 24 broke the news first? REALLY? -Liang -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Strazdas Unstoppable Originally by: Digital Messiah This is fake, CCP knows as well as we do money for non vanity items has killed every game that has ever tried it. No amount of creeping it in has worked either. 3 words for you: team fortress 2 What about it? The MT stuff drove everyone back to CS which is now stronger than ever. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter

Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:33:00 - [21] Originally by: Sral TBear This just sux sux sux. I keep playing, but when non createt player content can be bought or you can buy advanteges arive i will not be here any more :( You mean like they tried to slip into Incarna with Ships For Aurum? They're already well down this path, and they see no problems with it. People like you, and me, are expendable in pursuit of people that don't mind their wallets being anally **d. /shrug -Liang -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:51:00 - [22] Remember when people thought we'd get a CCP response by post 1200 or so? -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:04:00 - [23] Originally by: Cyber Duck Linkage Quote: Breaking News! - Radical changes to EVE Online character development allow you to train characters faster and get into action from the day one! What the ** is this. -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cyber Duck Linkage Quote: Breaking News! - Radical changes to EVE Online character development allow you to train characters faster and get into action from the day one! What the ** is this. They're talking the learning skills removal and + attribute points. The news of eve is slow to propagate. AG So right after they introduce the MT store, there's a marketing push advertising newly (breaking news) accelerated training..... -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:16:00 - [25] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Reed Tiburon Originally by: Miilla I think we need a new signiture for everybody. "FREE HELICITY" QFT. What does QFT mean? Quoted for truth -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:46:00 - [26] Originally by: General Windypops How can we possibly replace the 20 or so of you that are quitting???????????? I find it interesting that today's peak player count was 1000 less than yesterday's..... despite being a "top seller" in Steam. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Miilla If CCP didn't anticapte this kind of reaction, they really are out of touch. We are all collateral damage. CCP is expecting to lose some accounts over this. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.23 23:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Riflin' Betty Originally by: Erichan Originally by: Riflin' Betty Doesn't it make you sick when you get lied to? -Heli gawd YES. Is this Ms. Hulkageddon? Yes. Don't know how long I have till they shut down this account for posting though. But I really wanted to share that image from FHC. -Heli DM me any links or pictures you want me to post for you. At least, until I'm banned. :) -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter

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